Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs 
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 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs

Livingstone advises parents to shun MMR jabs

David Batty and agencies
Tuesday July 2, 2002
http://www.***.com/ ,11098,748125,00.html
The mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, has called on the government to
provide single jabs for measles, mumps and rubella, arguing that the
controversial MMR vaccine was too risky to "inflict" on young children.
The mayor, whose partner Emma Beal is expecting their first child this year,
said the triple vaccine was being promoted because it saved time and money.
Mr Livingstone told BBC Radio 5 Live that his own child would receive single
jabs.
Some parents have claimed that MMR caused their children to develop autism
or bowel disorders.
But the government has said there is no scientific evidence to support these
claims and insists the triple vaccine is safe.
Commenting on the alleged risks posed by MMR, the mayor said: "There's no
way I would inflict that risk on a child."
He said children as young as 14-months-old were "incredibly vulnerable" and
it did not seem wise to "whack" all the vaccines into a child at once.
"I think the government should make single jabs available until you can show
there is no risk."
Parents were wary of government advice over the safety of MMR after other
health scares such as BSE, he added.
"This whole debate is about administrative convenience, rather than chasing
them [parents] up separately, it is about saving time and money," said the
mayor.
"It is not like you cannot have separate jabs - it is just that it is
cheaper.
"My advice to all Londoners is that if you can, get it done separately. I do
not think there is a risk."
Confusingly, a spokeswoman for the mayor denied that he had advised parents
against inoculating their children with MMR.
She said: "The BBC report quite grossly misrepresents what he said. All he
said was, whether the concern about the combined vaccine is real or not,
that parents should have a choice.
"He was not recommending the single jabs over the triple vaccine but was
stressing his personal opinion that parents should get their children
vaccinated in some way."
The mayor's comments came after the British Medical Association conference
warned that parents do not trust medical advice on the MMR jab because they
know GPs are paid to recommend it.
Dr Hamish Meldrum, a GP from East Yorkshire, called for the abolition of the
target payment system at the BMA's annual conference in Harrogate.
Currently GPs receive payments if they immunise 70% of the children on their
patient list and the amount increases significantly if they achieve 90%.
Dr Meldrum, joint deputy chairman of the BMA's GP committee, said many
parents were aware of the target payment system and in some cases it made
them doubt their GP's advice.
"Colleagues have had patients say to them you are only giving this advice
because there is money in it for you," he said.



Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:17:58 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs
On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:17:58 +0000 (UTC), "john scudamore"

Quote:

>Livingstone advises parents to shun MMR jabs

>David Batty and agencies
>Tuesday July 2, 2002
>http://society.guardian.co.uk/publichealth/story/0,11098,748125,00.html

What is it with British newspapers directly contradicting the titles
of their articles with the text within?

First, the Observer claims Glaxo "admitted" their vaccines are
"toxic," then quoted a spokeswoman saying they're not. Now this.

Quote:
>Confusingly, a spokeswoman for the mayor denied that he had advised parents
>against inoculating their children with MMR.
>She said: "The BBC report quite grossly misrepresents what he said. All he
>said was, whether the concern about the combined vaccine is real or not,
>that parents should have a choice.
>"He was not recommending the single jabs over the triple vaccine but was
>stressing his personal opinion that parents should get their children
>vaccinated in some way."



Tue, 21 Dec 2004 01:37:05 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs


Quote:
>On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:17:58 +0000 (UTC), "john scudamore"

>>Livingstone advises parents to shun MMR jabs

How is the good mayor at diagnosing cancer?

bob



Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:29:07 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs
He told BBC Radio Five Live that he would be giving his child, when it is
born, the separate injections to guard against mumps, measles and rubella.

Mr Livingstone said that the public did not trust government advice
especially after the outbreak of BSE in cattle.

"It seems to me that a child of those months, just 14 months, is incredibly
vulnerable," he said.

"I remember having all these jabs separately - often you had quite a severe
reaction.

"Why whack them all into a child at the same time?

"This whole debate is about administrative convenience - rather than having
to chase people up to make sure they get them all separately.

"It's a question of huge savings of time and money and in no way would I
inflict on a child that risk."

Mr Livingstone: MMR is the cheap option

Mr Livingstone said scientific research might yet prove the vaccine
perfectly safe.

But there was enough doubt for many parents, particularly in London,
insisting on separate jabs.


Quote:
> On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:17:58 +0000 (UTC), "john scudamore"

> >Livingstone advises parents to shun MMR jabs

> >David Batty and agencies
> >Tuesday July 2, 2002
> >http://society.guardian.co.uk/publichealth/story/0,11098,748125,00.html

> What is it with British newspapers directly contradicting the titles
> of their articles with the text within?

> First, the Observer claims Glaxo "admitted" their vaccines are
> "toxic," then quoted a spokeswoman saying they're not. Now this.

> >Confusingly, a spokeswoman for the mayor denied that he had advised
parents
> >against inoculating their children with MMR.
> >She said: "The BBC report quite grossly misrepresents what he said. All
he
> >said was, whether the concern about the combined vaccine is real or not,
> >that parents should have a choice.
> >"He was not recommending the single jabs over the triple vaccine but was
> >stressing his personal opinion that parents should get their children
> >vaccinated in some way."



Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:40:23 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs
I don't believe anything that the British tabloids publish.

MMR is safe.


Quote:
> Livingstone advises parents to shun MMR jabs

> David Batty and agencies
> Tuesday July 2, 2002
> http://society.guardian.co.uk/publichealth/story/0,11098,748125,00.html
> The mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, has called on the government to
> provide single jabs for measles, mumps and rubella, arguing that the
> controversial MMR vaccine was too risky to "inflict" on young children.
> The mayor, whose partner Emma Beal is expecting their first child this
year,
> said the triple vaccine was being promoted because it saved time and
money.
> Mr Livingstone told BBC Radio 5 Live that his own child would receive
single
> jabs.
> Some parents have claimed that MMR caused their children to develop
autism
> or bowel disorders.
> But the government has said there is no scientific evidence to support
these
> claims and insists the triple vaccine is safe.
> Commenting on the alleged risks posed by MMR, the mayor said: "There's no
> way I would inflict that risk on a child."
> He said children as young as 14-months-old were "incredibly vulnerable"
and
> it did not seem wise to "whack" all the vaccines into a child at once.
> "I think the government should make single jabs available until you can
show
> there is no risk."
> Parents were wary of government advice over the safety of MMR after other
> health scares such as BSE, he added.
> "This whole debate is about administrative convenience, rather than
chasing
> them [parents] up separately, it is about saving time and money," said
the
> mayor.
> "It is not like you cannot have separate jabs - it is just that it is
> cheaper.
> "My advice to all Londoners is that if you can, get it done separately. I
do
> not think there is a risk."
> Confusingly, a spokeswoman for the mayor denied that he had advised
parents
> against inoculating their children with MMR.
> She said: "The BBC report quite grossly misrepresents what he said. All
he
> said was, whether the concern about the combined vaccine is real or not,
> that parents should have a choice.
> "He was not recommending the single jabs over the triple vaccine but was
> stressing his personal opinion that parents should get their children
> vaccinated in some way."
> The mayor's comments came after the British Medical Association
conference
> warned that parents do not trust medical advice on the MMR jab because
they
> know GPs are paid to recommend it.
> Dr Hamish Meldrum, a GP from East Yorkshire, called for the abolition of
the
> target payment system at the BMA's annual conference in Harrogate.
> Currently GPs receive payments if they immunise 70% of the children on
their
> patient list and the amount increases significantly if they achieve 90%.
> Dr Meldrum, joint deputy chairman of the BMA's GP committee, said many
> parents were aware of the target payment system and in some cases it made
> them doubt their GP's advice.
> "Colleagues have had patients say to them you are only giving this advice
> because there is money in it for you," he said.



Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:21:26 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs


Quote:
> On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:17:58 +0000 (UTC), "john scudamore"

> >Livingstone advises parents to shun MMR jabs

> >David Batty and agencies
> >Tuesday July 2, 2002
> >http://society.guardian.co.uk/publichealth/story/0,11098,748125,00.html

> What is it with British newspapers directly contradicting the titles
> of their articles with the text within?

> First, the Observer claims Glaxo "admitted" their vaccines are
> "toxic," then quoted a spokeswoman saying they're not. Now this.

> >Confusingly, a spokeswoman for the mayor denied that he had advised
parents
> >against inoculating their children with MMR.
> >She said: "The BBC report quite grossly misrepresents what he said. All
he
> >said was, whether the concern about the combined vaccine is real or not,
> >that parents should have a choice.
> >"He was not recommending the single jabs over the triple vaccine but was
> >stressing his personal opinion that parents should get their children
> >vaccinated in some way."

Another excellent example of why relying on politicians, including Burton,
for medical information is a fool's game.


Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:59:59 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs

Quote:


>>I don't believe anything that the British tabloids publish.

>>MMR is safe.

>But that's what some of the British tabloids claim....

>Actually, I can't understand why educated doctors and scientists are
>arguing about this. The "MMR is safe" opinion is based on statistics
>from very large surveys, and the "MMR can cause autism" is based on
>detailed investigation of certain rare cases, too rare to affect the
>statistics of the large surveys. There is no contradiction in the
>research results, only in the over-interpretation of the results which
>both sides of the debate are engaging in.

>It's an extremely disappointing comment on the state of scientific and
>statistical education in medical "experts" that this debate even got
>started.

This debate didn't get started because scientific or medical experts
wanted it to. It got started because some liars needed another way to
frighten parents out of having their children vaccinated. The lie that
measles vaccine contained mercury had been soundly beaten (although it
still pops up every few weeks) and the liars who had been saying that
vaccines caused autism had to look for another possible connection.

Remember that this "debate" isn't about the safety of vaccines - it's
about stopping vaccination altogether. The three big tactics being
used at the moment are to prey on the fears of what might happen to
the parents: you might be stuck with an autistic child (the MMR lie),
you might be accused of {*filter*} (the Yurko lie), and your soul will not
go to heaven (the vaccine-endorses-{*filter*} lie).

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Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:36:04 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs


Quote:
> This debate didn't get started because scientific or medical experts
> wanted it to. It got started because some liars needed another way to
> frighten parents out of having their children vaccinated.

Why would that be?  If you have a crime you need a motive--seriously lacking
in my case.  And Wakefield is a serious scientist who had to deal with
hundreds of vaccine damaged kids--that tends to wipe the bullshit belief
that vaccines are safe.

Quote:
>The lie that
> measles vaccine contained mercury had been soundly beaten (although it
> still pops up every few weeks)

I only EVER see that assertion from the likes of you, who like to muddy the
waters and create straw dog arguments by claiming we think mmr contains
mercury.

 >and the liars who had been saying that

Quote:
> vaccines caused autism had to look for another possible connection.
> Remember that this "debate" isn't about the safety of vaccines - it's
> about stopping vaccination altogether.

I have never seen anyone make that claim.  I am just for information to be
made available for proper informed consent, and we all know vaccines can't
stand the light of public scrutiny, which accounts for the secrecy, and
information control

Quote:
> The three big tactics being
> used at the moment are to prey on the fears of what might happen to
> the parents: you might be stuck with an autistic child (the MMR lie),

You haven't proven MMR doesn't cause autism so it is hardly a lie.

Quote:
> you might be accused of {*filter*} (the Yurko lie), and your soul will not
> go to heaven (the vaccine-endorses-{*filter*} lie).

You have to ask if someone who uses the word lie so often--does his life
consist of one big LIE?  We know he pushes the biggest LIE of the medical
industry--that vaccines are "safe & effective", so he peddles the great lie.
Work that out Freud!

john

"Whatever explanation you consider most accurate the unavoidable fact is
that the government (in the form of the DHSS) has consistently lied about
the whooping cough vaccine, has distorted the truth and has deceived both
the medical profession (for the majority of doctors and nurses who give
these injections accept the recommendations made by the DHSS without
question) and millions of parents."--Dr Vernon Coleman MB

"The professional propagandist realizes that, when a single lie is exposed,
the entire campaign is jeopardized. Dishonesty is discouraged, but on
strategic, not moral, grounds."
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Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:03:08 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs

Quote:



>> This debate didn't get started because scientific or medical experts
>> wanted it to. It got started because some liars needed another way to
>> frighten parents out of having their children vaccinated.

>Why would that be?  If you have a crime you need a motive--seriously lacking
>in my case.  And Wakefield is a serious scientist who had to deal with
>hundreds of vaccine damaged kids--that tends to wipe the bullshit belief
>that vaccines are safe.

Wakefield had 9 (that's NINE) children in his original study,
cherry-picked down from about 25 in order to "prove" what he wanted to
find.

Quote:
>>The lie that
>> measles vaccine contained mercury had been soundly beaten (although it
>> still pops up every few weeks)

>I only EVER see that assertion from the likes of you, who like to muddy the
>waters and create straw dog arguments by claiming we think mmr contains
>mercury.

I have never claimed that the anti-vaccination liars "believe" that
MMR contains mercury. I have claimed that they "say" that MMR contains
mercury. On of the defining factors of a liar is that the liar knows
that what is being said is untrue. Except for the truly insane ones
(like Archie Kalokerinos with his WHO/World Vision genocide {*filter*}
theory and his mountains of dead aboriginal children), I expect that
many of the liars know very well that what they say is untrue.

Quote:
> >and the liars who had been saying that
>> vaccines caused autism had to look for another possible connection.

>> Remember that this "debate" isn't about the safety of vaccines - it's
>> about stopping vaccination altogether.

>I have never seen anyone make that claim.  I am just for information to be
>made available for proper informed consent, and we all know vaccines can't
>stand the light of public scrutiny, which accounts for the secrecy, and
>information control

Read that last sentence of yours again, John.

Quote:
>> The three big tactics being
>> used at the moment are to prey on the fears of what might happen to
>> the parents: you might be stuck with an autistic child (the MMR lie),

>You haven't proven MMR doesn't cause autism so it is hardly a lie.

With so little evidence that MMR causes anything (except live children
without the sequelae of measles infections) it is not up to me to
prove its safety - it's up to the people who claim it is not safe to
prove their case. They can't.

Quote:
>> you might be accused of {*filter*} (the Yurko lie), and your soul will not
>> go to heaven (the vaccine-endorses-{*filter*} lie).

>You have to ask if someone who uses the word lie so often--does his life
>consist of one big LIE?  We know he pushes the biggest LIE of the medical
>industry--that vaccines are "safe & effective", so he peddles the great lie.
>Work that out Freud!

Don't you have anything to say about using a {*filter*}er and an appeal to
religious beliefs to support the lie? I didn't think so.

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Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:43:04 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs

Quote:

> I have never claimed that the anti-vaccination liars "believe" that
> MMR contains mercury. I have claimed that they "say" that MMR contains
> mercury.

I don't know of any vaccine activist claiming mmr contains mercury.  Is
there a better way to advertise your ignorance and lose an argument than to
claim that?  It doesn't make any sense--just a lie you are spreading.

Quote:
>On of the defining factors of a liar is that the liar knows
> that what is being said is untrue. Except for the truly insane ones
> (like Archie Kalokerinos with his WHO/World Vision genocide {*filter*}
> theory and his mountains of dead aboriginal children), I expect that
> many of the liars know very well that what they say is untrue.

Ad hominem.  He has spent 40 years amongst third world children and
witnessed first hand a 50% death rate from DPT in aboriginal children.

Liars try to hide the fact by projecting onto others.

john



Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:43:33 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs


Quote:


>> I have never claimed that the anti-vaccination liars "believe" that
>> MMR contains mercury. I have claimed that they "say" that MMR contains
>> mercury.

>I don't know of any vaccine activist claiming mmr contains mercury.

Well, now you do:

From < http://www.***.com/ ;

"Most vaccines, including the MMR, contain ethyl mercury or
thimerosal, an organic neurotoxic mercury compound that is used as a
preservative."

From < http://www.***.com/ ~civitas/page220.html>

"The latter symptoms are the same as those of mercury poisoning, and
the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) vaccine contains thimerosal, a mercury
compound used as a preservative in MMR and other vaccines."

From
< http://www.***.com/ ;

"Besides its proposed link to autism, the combination MMR vaccine
contains thimerosal, a preservative that uses the toxic element
mercury as an active ingredient..."

From < http://www.***.com/ ;

"Children receive a{*filter*}tail of vaccinations beginning at birth.
Most of these vaccines, such as Hepatitis B, Diphtheria, Tetanus,
Pertussis (DTaP), Haemophilis Influenzae Type b (Hib), and Measles,
Mumps, Rubella (MMR), are used as preventative measures of once deadly
diseases.  However, these vaccines also contain the preservative
thimerosal, which is designed to minimize bacterial growth in the
vaccine."

Quote:
>Is
>there a better way to advertise your ignorance and lose an argument than to
>claim that?  It doesn't make any sense--just a lie you are spreading.

Are you going to take this back now? Admit that Bowditch was right?
And admit that you're ignorant of the ignorance of anti-vacs? (Or
maybe you're just pretending you didn't know?)

We're waiting.

PF



Fri, 07 Jan 2005 04:24:00 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs

Quote:


>> I have never claimed that the anti-vaccination liars "believe" that
>> MMR contains mercury. I have claimed that they "say" that MMR contains
>> mercury.

>I don't know of any vaccine activist claiming mmr contains mercury.  Is
>there a better way to advertise your ignorance and lose an argument than to
>claim that?  It doesn't make any sense--just a lie you are spreading.

You need to get out more. I see this claim made about once a week. It
is a current discussion topic on the Parents Place vaccination debate
message board, for example. The way it goes now is to make the weasel
statements that it *might* be used, or that it is added *after*
manufacture.

Quote:
>>On of the defining factors of a liar is that the liar knows
>> that what is being said is untrue. Except for the truly insane ones
>> (like Archie Kalokerinos with his WHO/World Vision genocide {*filter*}
>> theory and his mountains of dead aboriginal children), I expect that
>> many of the liars know very well that what they say is untrue.

>Ad hominem.  He has spent 40 years amongst third world children and
>witnessed first hand a 50% death rate from DPT in aboriginal children.

It would be an ad hominem attack if I said that I didn't believe him
because of something related to him, not what he said. There has NEVER
been a time when infant mortality among aboriginal children in
Australia was 50%, so I call him a liar for telling lies. By the way,
it was measles vaccine that he claimed killed the 50%, not DPT.

Quote:
>Liars try to hide the fact by projecting onto others.

Cue Jan to provide evidence for this statement.

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Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:29:48 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs

Quote:


>> I have never claimed that the anti-vaccination liars "believe" that
>> MMR contains mercury. I have claimed that they "say" that MMR contains
>> mercury.

> I don't know of any vaccine activist claiming mmr contains mercury.  Is
> there a better way to advertise your ignorance and lose an argument than to
> claim that?  It doesn't make any sense--just a lie you are spreading.


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Fri, 07 Jan 2005 06:43:54 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs
OK, I can see one article.  Now prove they are lying.

Secondly they are not vaccine activists, hardly NVIC is it.  And how do you,
or Bowditch, get those writers to cover all "anti-vaccine liars" which
includes me I guess.

Thirdly, I fail to see why you go on about mercury not being in mmr because
it would be better for you if it was and you could blame all the "problems"
on mercury.

Good for all to see how toxic non-mercury vaccines can be.

john


Quote:



> >> I have never claimed that the anti-vaccination liars "believe" that
> >> MMR contains mercury. I have claimed that they "say" that MMR contains
> >> mercury.

> >I don't know of any vaccine activist claiming mmr contains mercury.

> Well, now you do:

> From < http://www.***.com/ ;

> "Most vaccines, including the MMR, contain ethyl mercury or
> thimerosal, an organic neurotoxic mercury compound that is used as a
> preservative."

> From < http://www.***.com/ ~civitas/page220.html>

> "The latter symptoms are the same as those of mercury poisoning, and
> the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) vaccine contains thimerosal, a mercury
> compound used as a preservative in MMR and other vaccines."

> From
> < http://www.***.com/ ;

> "Besides its proposed link to autism, the combination MMR vaccine
> contains thimerosal, a preservative that uses the toxic element
> mercury as an active ingredient..."

> From < http://www.***.com/ ;

> "Children receive a{*filter*}tail of vaccinations beginning at birth.
> Most of these vaccines, such as Hepatitis B, Diphtheria, Tetanus,
> Pertussis (DTaP), Haemophilis Influenzae Type b (Hib), and Measles,
> Mumps, Rubella (MMR), are used as preventative measures of once deadly
> diseases.  However, these vaccines also contain the preservative
> thimerosal, which is designed to minimize bacterial growth in the
> vaccine."

> >Is
> >there a better way to advertise your ignorance and lose an argument than
to
> >claim that?  It doesn't make any sense--just a lie you are spreading.

> Are you going to take this back now? Admit that Bowditch was right?
> And admit that you're ignorant of the ignorance of anti-vacs? (Or
> maybe you're just pretending you didn't know?)

> We're waiting.

> PF



Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:31:07 GMT
 Mayor of London advises parents to shun MMR jabs


Quote:
> OK, I can see one article.  Now prove they are lying.

Peter posted FOUR articles. Do you have a serious deficiency in math to go
along with thid DISHONESTY of snipping out the other three articles?

Quote:
> Secondly they are not vaccine activists, hardly NVIC is it.  And how do
you,
> or Bowditch, get those writers to cover all "anti-vaccine liars" which
> includes me I guess.

Finally, you got one right.

Quote:
> Thirdly, I fail to see why you go on about mercury not being in mmr
because
> it would be better for you if it was and you could blame all the
"problems"
> on mercury.

keeps you Anti-vaccinationistas honest...

Quote:
> Good for all to see how toxic non-mercury vaccines can be.

> john






> > >> I have never claimed that the anti-vaccination liars "believe" that
> > >> MMR contains mercury. I have claimed that they "say" that MMR
contains
> > >> mercury.

> > >I don't know of any vaccine activist claiming mmr contains mercury.

> > Well, now you do:

> > From < http://www.***.com/ ;

> > "Most vaccines, including the MMR, contain ethyl mercury or
> > thimerosal, an organic neurotoxic mercury compound that is used as a
> > preservative."

> > From < http://www.***.com/ ~civitas/page220.html>

> > "The latter symptoms are the same as those of mercury poisoning, and
> > the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) vaccine contains thimerosal, a mercury
> > compound used as a preservative in MMR and other vaccines."

> > From
> > < http://www.***.com/ ;

> > "Besides its proposed link to autism, the combination MMR vaccine
> > contains thimerosal, a preservative that uses the toxic element
> > mercury as an active ingredient..."

> > From < http://www.***.com/ ;

> > "Children receive a{*filter*}tail of vaccinations beginning at birth.
> > Most of these vaccines, such as Hepatitis B, Diphtheria, Tetanus,
> > Pertussis (DTaP), Haemophilis Influenzae Type b (Hib), and Measles,
> > Mumps, Rubella (MMR), are used as preventative measures of once deadly
> > diseases.  However, these vaccines also contain the preservative
> > thimerosal, which is designed to minimize bacterial growth in the
> > vaccine."

> > >Is
> > >there a better way to advertise your ignorance and lose an argument
than
> to
> > >claim that?  It doesn't make any sense--just a lie you are spreading.

> > Are you going to take this back now? Admit that Bowditch was right?
> > And admit that you're ignorant of the ignorance of anti-vacs? (Or
> > maybe you're just pretending you didn't know?)

> > We're waiting.

> > PF



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