Questions about male urinary tract infection 
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 Questions about male urinary tract infection

I hope I found the right group to post to, please forgive me if I got the
wrong one but I don't know the medical news groups very well.

My friend asked me to post this because he needs the info very quickly and

 I need to know (I am in a real hurry), what is the minimum a physician should
do when confronted with (1) a maleurinary tract infection, and then (2) a male
urinary tract infection that does not respond to a one day course of {*filter*}
antibiotic.

Is there any way to get this info over the internet?  It is basic medical
textbook stuff and I probably cant get to UCSF's library today.  Is there any
way to pose these kinds of questions to a bulletin board or something?

This is a very interesting case with serious injury.  This guy came down with
the infection INSIDE his you can guess, so he goes to the hospital and to his
personal physician.  In neither place is he instructed to give a {*filter*} or a
urine sample (EITHER OF WHICH ROUTINE PROCEDURES WOULD HAVE EVIDENCED HIS NEW
DIABETIC STATUS:  extremely elevated {*filter*} sugar levels).  The high {*filter*} sugar
was why the antibiotics had no effect.  So his personal physician directs him to
a urologist, who prescribes the one day course of antibiotics and instructs him
to come back the next day.  He took the {*filter*} and came back and the infection
was still raging.  (Still no {*filter*} or urine test is ordered.) Then the physician
performs a surgery in his office by cutting down the length of the you can guess
and opening it up like a breakfast sausage and cleaning out the infection and
sewing it back up again.

2 days later he goes to the hospital for a routine uranalysis to determine the
elimation of the infection, and his diabetic condition is discovered.

The guy is a mess for weeks or months.  His wife refuses to have sex with him
b/c he's a frankenstein.  He can't stand to look at himself.  There are other
problems.

The crux of the thing is that he's know informed that the surgery was ENTIRELY
UNECESSARY.  A urine or {*filter*} test would have revealed the diabetes and the
sugar level could have been lowered to a point to make the antibiotics
effective.

Any advice that you could provide me or my friend would be appreciated.

TIA

Leigh



Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:00:00 GMT
 Questions about male urinary tract infection
I hope I found the right group to post to, please forgive me if I got the
wrong one but I don't know the medical news groups very well.

My friend asked me to post this because he needs the info very quickly and

 I need to know (I am in a real hurry), what is the minimum a physician should
do when confronted with (1) a maleurinary tract infection, and then (2) a male
urinary tract infection that does not respond to a one day course of {*filter*}
antibiotic.

Is there any way to get this info over the internet?  It is basic medical
textbook stuff and I probably cant get to UCSF's library today.  Is there any
way to pose these kinds of questions to a bulletin board or something?

This is a very interesting case with serious injury.  This guy came down with
the infection INSIDE his you can guess, so he goes to the hospital and to his
personal physician.  In neither place is he instructed to give a {*filter*} or a
urine sample (EITHER OF WHICH ROUTINE PROCEDURES WOULD HAVE EVIDENCED HIS NEW
DIABETIC STATUS:  extremely elevated {*filter*} sugar levels).  The high {*filter*} sugar
was why the antibiotics had no effect.  So his personal physician directs him to
a urologist, who prescribes the one day course of antibiotics and instructs him
to come back the next day.  He took the {*filter*} and came back and the infection
was still raging.  (Still no {*filter*} or urine test is ordered.) Then the physician
performs a surgery in his office by cutting down the length of the you can guess
and opening it up like a breakfast sausage and cleaning out the infection and
sewing it back up again.

2 days later he goes to the hospital for a routine uranalysis to determine the
elimation of the infection, and his diabetic condition is discovered.

The guy is a mess for weeks or months.  His wife refuses to have sex with him
b/c he's a frankenstein.  He can't stand to look at himself.  There are other
problems.

The crux of the thing is that he's know informed that the surgery was ENTIRELY
UNECESSARY.  A urine or {*filter*} test would have revealed the diabetes and the
sugar level could have been lowered to a point to make the antibiotics
effective.

Any advice that you could provide me or my friend would be appreciated.

TIA

Leigh



Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:00:00 GMT
 Questions about male urinary tract infection

Quote:

>This is a very interesting case with serious injury.  This guy came down with
>the infection INSIDE his you can guess,

Maybe we can guess, and maybe not.  Humor us and tell as where he had
the infection.  

Quote:
>so he goes to the hospital and to his
>personal physician.  In neither place is he instructed to give a {*filter*} or a
>urine sample (EITHER OF WHICH ROUTINE PROCEDURES WOULD HAVE EVIDENCED HIS NEW
>DIABETIC STATUS  

Um, not exactly.  We don't have a test known as "{*filter*} test".  We have
tests that specifically tell us what we need to know to treat or
monitor a specific disease.  The "{*filter*} test" to which you are
referring is a serum glucose, which is neither indicated nor useful in
the treatment of balanitis.  And as far as the "urine test" goes.  The
only tests that would have even been considered for this case are a
urine culture and a urinalysis, and neither of these tests would have
been useful in this case, because the foreskin/glans area was the
apparent infected area, and any attempts to do either of these tests
would have been contaminated by the infection affecting the
foreskin/glans area.  Therefore, I would not have ordered either one
of these tests.

Quote:
>The high {*filter*} sugar was why the antibiotics had no effect.  

Hogwash!  Show me a reference where high {*filter*} sugar inactivates
antibiotics.

Quote:
>So his personal physician directs him to
>a urologist, who prescribes the one day course of antibiotics and instructs him
>to come back the next day.  He took the {*filter*} and came back and the infection
>was still raging.  (Still no {*filter*} or urine test is ordered.)

(Still not necessarily indicated.)

Quote:
>Then the physician
>performs a surgery in his office by cutting down the length of the you can guess
>and opening it up like a breakfast sausage and cleaning out the infection and
>sewing it back up again.

Which may have saved him from an even worse outcome, such as
erosion/scarring of the glans of the {*filter*}.  Don't know that for sure
though.

Quote:
>2 days later he goes to the hospital for a routine uranalysis to determine the
>elimation of the infection,

Which would be appropriate at this time, when the foreskin is
retractable, and , hopefully infection free, so as to not contaminate
the urine specimen.

Quote:
>and his diabetic condition is discovered.
>The guy is a mess for weeks or months.  His wife refuses to have sex with him
>b/c he's a frankenstein.  He can't stand to look at himself.  There are other
>problems.
>The crux of the thing is that he's know informed that the surgery was ENTIRELY
>UNECESSARY.  

And by whom, pray tell, was he informed of this fact that the surgery
was unnecessary?  Was it Ol' Uncle Clem from West {*filter*}ny?  Unless
the person who offered this new opinion was present at the time the
surgery was performed, he/she really has no idea whether it was
necessary or not.  One day can make a WORLD of difference in a
properly treated infectious disease.

Quote:
>A urine or {*filter*} test would have revealed the diabetes and the
>sugar level could have been lowered to a point to make the antibiotics
>effective.

More Hogwash.  See above.  

Quote:
>Any advice that you could provide me or my friend would be appreciated.

My advice would be to pay more attention to cleanliness in the
glans/foreskin area to prevent further infections from occurring,
especially now that he has diabetes, which can make him more
susceptible to fungal infections, in addition to the usual bugs that
infect that area.

And, also, I recommend that your friend also get advice from someone
that has at least a miniscule idea of what the heck they are talking
about before they go spouting off about everything was done wrong, and
how badly they were mistreated.  Sounds to me like this was handled
quite well by both physicians, especially the urologist who attempted
to closely follow the progress of the infection and insure that it
cleared.  

This sad tale sounds remarkably like the sad tale of someone who is
hoping to make a fast buck at the expense of a couple of physicians
who appear to have made a good attempt to ensure a good outcome in
this case.  It makes me ill.  

Quote:
>TIA
>Leigh

Skeez


Sun, 16 Nov 1997 03:00:00 GMT
 Questions about male urinary tract infection

Quote:

>I hope I found the right group to post to, please forgive me if I got the
>wrong one but I don't know the medical news groups very well.

>My friend asked me to post this because he needs the info very quickly and

> I need to know (I am in a real hurry), what is the minimum a physician should
>do when confronted with (1) a maleurinary tract infection, and then (2) a male
>urinary tract infection that does not respond to a one day course of {*filter*}
>antibiotic.

>Is there any way to get this info over the internet?  It is basic medical
>textbook stuff and I probably cant get to UCSF's library today.  Is there any
>way to pose these kinds of questions to a bulletin board or something?

>This is a very interesting case with serious injury.  This guy came down with
>the infection INSIDE his you can guess, so he goes to the hospital and to his
>personal physician.  In neither place is he instructed to give a {*filter*} or a
>urine sample (EITHER OF WHICH ROUTINE PROCEDURES WOULD HAVE EVIDENCED HIS NEW
>DIABETIC STATUS:  extremely elevated {*filter*} sugar levels).  The high {*filter*} sugar
>was why the antibiotics had no effect.  So his personal physician directs him to
>a urologist, who prescribes the one day course of antibiotics and instructs him
>to come back the next day.  He took the {*filter*} and came back and the infection
>was still raging.  (Still no {*filter*} or urine test is ordered.) Then the physician
>performs a surgery in his office by cutting down the length of the you can guess
>and opening it up like a breakfast sausage and cleaning out the infection and
>sewing it back up again.

>2 days later he goes to the hospital for a routine uranalysis to determine the
>elimation of the infection, and his diabetic condition is discovered.

>The guy is a mess for weeks or months.  His wife refuses to have sex with him
>b/c he's a frankenstein.  He can't stand to look at himself.  There are other
>problems.

>The crux of the thing is that he's know informed that the surgery was ENTIRELY
>UNECESSARY.  A urine or {*filter*} test would have revealed the diabetes and the
>sugar level could have been lowered to a point to make the antibiotics
>effective.

>Any advice that you could provide me or my friend would be appreciated.

>TIA

>Leigh

I'm not a physician, but as a microbiologist I would suggest that your friend
was not treated with an appropriate antibiotic.  If a urine culture with
antibiotic susceptibility testing had been performed, the physician may have
found reason after that first day of {*filter*}antibiotics to change to something
else more effective.


Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:00:00 GMT
 
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