Caucasian remains in Oregon 
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 Caucasian remains in Oregon

Did anyone hear about the find in Oregon of a 9,000 year old Caucasian
skeleton.  The news was broadcst on CBC National News on Oct. 13.  Apparently
there is controvery brewing re Native issues.  I only caught the tail end of
this item!



Tue, 06 Apr 1999 03:00:00 GMT
 Caucasian remains in Oregon

Quote:

> Did anyone hear about the find in Oregon of a 9,000 year old Caucasian
> skeleton.  The news was broadcst on CBC National News on Oct. 13.  Apparently
> there is controvery brewing re Native issues.  I only caught the tail end of
> this item!

Yes, I did;  it definitely had interesting implications.  Here's the
article from CNN interactive(CNN.com):

"PORTLAND, Oregon (Reuter) -- A
 group of scientists has filed a lawsuit
 seeking to block Indian tribes from
 reburying an ancient skeleton of
 possible major historic significance.

In a complaint filed this week in U.S. District Court, the scientists
asked for an order blocking the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers from
handing over the so-called "Kennewick Man," which has become embroiled
in a cross-cultural controversy since its discovery July 28.
The bones, believed to be from a Caucasian male, were found protruding
from a bank in the Columbia River at a park in Kennewick, Washington,
near the Oregon border, by a pair of college students at a boat-racing
festival.
Originally, scientists thought they might be the remains of a man of
European origin from the 19th century, and were astounded when
radiocarbon dating done by the University of California at Riverside
concluded the bones were more than 9,000 years old.
The skeleton is not only the oldest ever found in the Columbia Basin,
but it could be the most compelling evidence to date that North
Americas first settlers migrated across a land bridge that once spanned
the Bering Straits.
The fact that the bones appear to be those of a Caucasian with a large
nose and thick bony brows could cast new light on the question of who
the first Americans were.
But a coalition of tribes, citing the 1990 Native American Graves and
Repatriation Act, has claimed jurisdiction over the bones and plans a
ceremonial burial.
The skeleton is being held in a secret location by the Corps of
Engineers, but under the law it must be turned over to tribal
authorities next week, said Corps spokesman Dutch Meier.
"We understand that non-Indian cultures have different values and
beliefs than us," Armand Minthorn of the Umatilla tribe said.
"We are not trying to be troublemakers," he said. "We are doing what our
elders have taught us: to respect people while theyre with us and after
theyve become part of the Earth."

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                                                                        Amit Mehta



Wed, 07 Apr 1999 03:00:00 GMT
 Caucasian remains in Oregon

Quote:

> Did anyone hear about the find in Oregon of a 9,000 year old Caucasian
> skeleton.  The news was broadcst on CBC National News on Oct. 13.  Apparently
> there is controvery brewing re Native issues.  I only caught the tail end of
> this item!

There was some 9000 year old human remains found in Washington State
(not Oregon). The tribal nations are sueing to have the remains
re-buried.
A group of archaeologists and one U.S. senator (Slade Gordon (R))
are petitioning to have the material studied first, and then
handed back over to the tribal nations.
 The news report stated that someone thought that the morphology
of the skeleton possed certain (a few) caucasoid features.
I know of NO reports that claimed that the remains ARE caucasian.
              <pb>


Wed, 07 Apr 1999 03:00:00 GMT
 Caucasian remains in Oregon

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> A group of archaeologists and one U.S. senator (Slade Gordon (R))
> are petitioning to have the material studied first, and then
> handed back over to the tribal nations.

        What's with this 'handed back' dreck?
  Did the natives find the remains?  No!  
  Did they dig them up?  No!
  Was the man (person?) a member of any tribe wanting the remains?  No!
   It seems that this is just another pushy try on the part of the
Siberian-Americans to control north american archaeology by demanding
that scientific research must end the instant any human remains are
found that predate Russian or European settlement because they must be
presumed to be Siberian-American and thus under the control of the Ju-Ju
man of the most politically powerful local tribe.
        When will these people learn to accept that although they got to
the americas first, and immediately hunted every animal larger than the
bison into extinction, they are not the rulers of the land anymore.  

        (Any Russians reading this are assured that the R or E
settlement thing is only said to acknowledge their entry to the americas
using the eastern, or original way, as opposed to the rest of Europe,
who did it the long way round with all that sea sickness and slowly
rotting food)



Thu, 08 Apr 1999 03:00:00 GMT
 Caucasian remains in Oregon

Quote:


> > A group of archaeologists and one U.S. senator (Slade Gordon (R))
> > are petitioning to have the material studied first, and then
> > handed back over to the tribal nations.
>         What's with this 'handed back' dreck?
>   Did the natives find the remains?  No!
>   Did they dig them up?  No!
>   Was the man (person?) a member of any tribe wanting the remains?  >No!
>    It seems that this is just another pushy try on the part of the
> Siberian-Americans to control north american archaeology by demanding
> that scientific research must end the instant any human remains are
> found

    <a merciful snip applied here....>

I will graciously take your position on this *only* when we get to the
point in our culture when we can dig up our OWN northern European
ancestors in graveyards throughout America, test their bodies
for toxins, then instead of reburying the bodies afterward,
put them in a museum as reference material for future toxicity
studies.  I mean, after all, they ARE scientific store-houses of
information...aren't they?
 I see nothing wrong with studying the specimen before returning it
to a grave.   I see nothing wrong with returning it.

He continues:

Quote:
>When will these people learn to accept that although they got to
>the americas first, and immediately hunted every animal larger than
>the bison into extinction, they are not the rulers of the
>land anymore.

<sarcasm button clicked ON>
No indeed.  We beat them into submission.  That ought to teach them
not to open their mouths any more, hmmm?  <sarcasm OFF>
                              <pb>


Thu, 08 Apr 1999 03:00:00 GMT
 Caucasian remains in Oregon



Quote:
>    When will these people learn to accept that although they got to
> the americas first, and immediately hunted every animal larger than the
> bison into extinction, they are not the rulers of the land anymore.  

What? Rulers of the land? And 'white' people are I suppose?
And why not? A little word called 'genocide'? Or is it 'ethnic cleansing'?
Is it okay if we dig up the remains of your parents? Or if they are still
alive, your grandparents? (etc.) We are carrying out a study on
morphological characteristics of caucasoids in the Americas in the last
century.

Can we please not have racist comments and remarks in this newsgroup?

Regards,

Roh



Fri, 09 Apr 1999 03:00:00 GMT
 Caucasian remains in Oregon

Quote:

> > A group of archaeologists and one U.S. senator (Slade Gordon (R))
> > are petitioning to have the material studied first, and then
> > handed back over to the tribal nations.

>         What's with this 'handed back' dreck?
>   Did the natives find the remains?  No!
>   Did they dig them up?  No!
>   Was the man (person?) a member of any tribe wanting the remains?  No!
>    It seems that this is just another pushy try on the part of the
> Siberian-Americans to control north american archaeology by demanding
> that scientific research must end the instant any human remains are
> found that predate Russian or European settlement because they must be
> presumed to be Siberian-American and thus under the control of the Ju-Ju
> man of the most politically powerful local tribe.
>         When will these people learn to accept that although they got to
> the americas first, and immediately hunted every animal larger than the
> bison into extinction, they are not the rulers of the land anymore.

>         (Any Russians reading this are assured that the R or E
> settlement thing is only said to acknowledge their entry to the americas
> using the eastern, or original way, as opposed to the rest of Europe,
> who did it the long way round with all that sea sickness and slowly
> rotting food)

Hi!

I sure wish you lived near my reservation, so my tribe of Siberian
Americans could hunt you to extinction--bet it wouldn't take long.
No--seriously--there are many fine points to your argument that I would
love to go over with you.  

Now, it is true that many anthro types believe that "Indians" crossed
over Beringia--I do not buy that particular theory, but until a better
one comes along, I will grant that probability.  So, in some obscure,
perverse way, a racist {*filter*}, like yourself for example, could refer
to some northwestern "Indian" tribes as being composed of Siberian
Americans.  

But that is not important.  What is important, is that you are a{*filter*}
head.  Strictly lower case.  Not even a real{*filter*} HEAD, just a {*filter*}
{*filter*} head.

Sorry if I've offended anybody other than the boy genius.



Wed, 14 Apr 1999 03:00:00 GMT
 
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