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 Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon

[religious monologue deleted]

You know, I was mildly annoyed when I saw this post, but
then my fiance (a linguistic anthropologist, and my only
real link to anthropology) pointed out that the author
might make an interesting case study in archaic belief
systems.

I guess the referenced post wasn't as far off topic as
I had originally supposed.

John



Sat, 06 Jul 1996 12:03:51 GMT
 Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon
According to Maya cosmology, we are in the last katun and the world will
be ending sometime around 2012, give or take a year.

Does that count as "soon?"

Melanie
May the wolves run by your side, not at your heels.



Sat, 06 Jul 1996 12:37:01 GMT
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     Having studied the sciences of paleontology, anthropology,archeology and
paleoanthropology for many years now, I have always been confronted by
religious people trying in desperation to explain to me their views on the world
and it's future.
     The message on this newsgroup is a prime example of such an attempt.

     Religion is a good thing.. some people need it, some people use it as a
crutch. As a scientist, I know that the world is not coming to an end... and
what is written in an old book is not going to change that.
     The old saying that "faith can move mountains" is a bit of a mistake,
no one asked the mountain if it WANTED to be moved.

     The faith of one person is good, pushing that faith on others who did
not ask for it should be a crime. This newsgroup is for people with an
interest in Earth sciences, such as anthropology and paleontology. It is
not a christian newsgroup. You as a christian feel that it is your duty to
inform these "poor missled sheep". That is rude.
     I don't plan to go to the christian forum and leave a huge message about
Darwin, so don't come to this newsgroup and praise your Lord here, unless
he has some new revalations about the evolution of theropods, or A.aferensis
behavior.

     Keep to preaching on your own side of the street...

Dana Geraths, Paleontologist.



Sat, 06 Jul 1996 08:45:11 GMT
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Seek professional help! You are a very sick person.
Paranoia can be cured.


Sat, 06 Jul 1996 15:15:27 GMT
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:      Having studied the sciences of paleontology, anthropology,archeology and
: crutch. As a scientist, I know that the world is not coming to an end... and

Eh, is not something going to happen with the sun in 5.5 billion years? What was it
again? Explode? Fade-out? So the world will get to an end, sometime, but with
a bit of luck, we will not get _that_ old. ;-)

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Sat, 06 Jul 1996 15:52:09 GMT
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[A lot of inappropriate post deleted...]

If you haven't noticed, Mr. Thomas has posted this to hundreds of newsgroups,
such as comp.databases, the DB2 mailing list, soc.culture.nordic,...!

I've sent an e-mail to the sysadmin at andrews.edu, and they are, to put
it bluntly, very pissed.  The end of the world may or may not come soon,
but I believe Mr. Thomas's posting privileges will for sure.  :^)

Jon Noring

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Sat, 06 Jul 1996 12:37:53 GMT
 Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon

: [A lot of inappropriate post deleted...]

: If you haven't noticed, Mr. Thomas has posted this to hundreds of newsgroups,
: such as comp.databases, the DB2 mailing list, soc.culture.nordic,...!

: Jon Noring

: --

But I was bitterly disappointed that it didn't make the Ren 'n' Stimpy
newsgroup!  What gives?




Sat, 06 Jul 1996 21:34:51 GMT
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EVER HEARD OF E-MAIL???

And Time, a maniac scattering dust,
And Life, a fury slinging FLAME.
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 Yet another RAVEing lunatic!!!            #so why would I speak for them?



Sun, 07 Jul 1996 04:14:32 GMT
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RE: Jesus is coming soon

My, first 2 millenia long {*filter*} I've heard of.



Sun, 07 Jul 1996 05:45:18 GMT
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Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
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Quote:
>According to Maya cosmology, we are in the last katun and the world will
>be ending sometime around 2012, give or take a year.

>Does that count as "soon?"

>Melanie

According to the (in my opinion, excellent) book _A_Forest_of_Kings:_The_
Untold_Story_of_the_Ancient_Maya_, by Linda Schele and David Freidel --
archaeologists intimately associated with the recent decipherment of the
Maya script -- this interpretation is incorrect.  Schele and Freidel write:

        In the Maya conception, the zero day of this era-based calendar
        fell on 13.0.0.0.0 [note 38] of the Long Count, 4 Ahau 8 Cumku of
        the Calendar Round, and on a day when the ninth Lord of the Night
        was ruling.  Once these day names had been juxtaposed in this way,
        the calendar was set for all eternity.  All the simultaneous cycles
        that constituted time would now simply click forward one day at a
        time.  {...}  In our calendar, their zero day corresponds to
        August 11, 3114 B.C. [39]

        Above we talked of the turning of the millennium as one of
        our own milestones in time.  In the near future Maya time also
        approaches one of its great benchmarks.  December 23, 2012, will
        be 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ahau 3 Kankin, the day when the thir{*filter*} baktuns
        will end and the Long Count cycles return to the symmetry of the
        beginning.  The Maya, however, did not conceive this to be the
        end of creation, as many have suggested.  Pacal, the great king
        of Palenque, predicted in his inscriptions that the eightieth
        Calendar Round anniversary of his accession will be celebrated
        eight days after the first eight-thousand-year cycle in the
        Mayan calendar ends.  In our time system, this cycle will end
        on October 15, 4772.  {Ref. 1}

In the notes at the end of the volume, Schele and Freidel go on to mention:

        38.  We transcribe the Maya vertical arrangement into a left to
        right format using arabic numbers with periods separating the
        various cycles.  The highest cycle, the baktun ("400-stone"), is
        written 13.0.0.0.0: 13 baktuns, no katuns, no tuns, no uinals,
        no days.

        39.  The thir{*filter*}th 400-year period of the Maya Calendar is soon
        to end.  13.0.0.0.0 will occur again on December 23, 2012, but
        this date falls on 4 Ahau 3 Kankin, rather than on the creation
        day, 4 Ahau 8 Cumku.  From the ancient inscriptions, we know that
        the Maya did not consider it to be the beginning of a new creation
        as has been suggested.  At Coba, the ancient Maya recorded the
        creation date with twenty units above the katun as in Date 1 below.

<1> 13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13. 0. 0. 0. 0
                                                           4 Ahau   8 Cumku

<2>                                  13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13. 9.15.13. 6. 9
                                                           3 Muluc 17 Mac

<3>                                                        1. 0. 0. 0. 0. 8
                                                           5 Lamat  1 Mol

        These thir{*filter*}s are the starting points of a huge odometer of time:
        each unit clicks over from thir{*filter*} to one when twenty of the next
        unit accumulate.  The baktun clicked from thir{*filter*} to one four
        hundred years after the creation date.  The Olmec lived during the
        fifth 400-year cycle; the earliest written dates in Mesoamerica
        fall into the seventh cycle; and the Classic history took place
        in the last quarter of the eighth and all of the ninth 400-year
        cycle.  The latest Long Count date known is 10.4.0.0.0 at Tonina.  
        Since dates rarely requred that numbers higher than the batun be
        written, the Maya regularly excluded them from their dates.

        We have one exception to this practice at Yaxchilan, where a scribe
        wrote a date on the stairs of Temple 33 with eight of the larger
        cycles of the baktun recorded (Date 2 above).  The Yaxchilan scribe
        intended to set this important historical date in its larger cosmic
        scale, and by doing so told us that all of the higher cycles of the
        calendar were still set at thir{*filter*} during Maya history.  Another
        inscription, this one from the Temple of Inscriptions at Palenque,
        projects into the future to the eightieth Calendar Round of the
        great king Pacal's accession.  They give us a count of the precise
        number of days it will take to come to this date which happens to
        be only eight days after the end of the first 8,000-year cycle in
        this creation (Date 3 above).  The pictun will end on October 15,
        4772, in our calendar and the anniversary will occur eight days
        later on October 23, 4772.

        Combining the information from all these dates, we have
        reconstructed the nature of Maya time in this creation.  On the
        day of creation, all the cycles above the katun were set on 13,
        although this number should be treated arithmetically in calendric
        calculations as zero.  Each cycle within the calendar is composed
        of twenty of the next lowest units, moving in the order 20, 400,
        8,000, 160,000, 3,200,000, 64,000,000, and so on toward infinity.  
        With this information, we can project how long it will take to
        convert the highest thir{*filter*} in the Coba date to 1 --
        41,341,050,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tropical years. {2}

--
Michael McNeil

References

{1}  Linda Schele and David Freidel, _A_Forest_of_Kings:_The_Untold_Story_
of_the_Ancient_Maya_, William Morrow and Co., Inc., New York, 1990, p. 82.

{2}  ibid., p. 430.



Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:01:14 GMT
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Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
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    KICKING>      Having studied the sciences of paleontology,
    KICKING> anthropology,archeology and paleoanthropology for many
    KICKING> years now, I have always been confronted by religious
    KICKING> people trying in desperation to explain to me their views
    KICKING> on the world and it's future.  The message on this
    KICKING> newsgroup is a prime example of such an attempt.

    KICKING>      Religion is a good thing.. some people need it, some
    KICKING> people use it as a crutch. As a scientist, I know that
    KICKING> the world is not coming to an end... and what is written
    KICKING> in an old book is not going to change that.  The old
    KICKING> saying that "faith can move mountains" is a bit of a
    KICKING> mistake, no one asked the mountain if it WANTED to be
    KICKING> moved.

    KICKING>      The faith of one person is good, pushing that faith
    KICKING> on others who did not ask for it should be a crime. This
    KICKING> newsgroup is for people with an interest in Earth
    KICKING> sciences, such as anthropology and paleontology. It is
    KICKING> not a christian newsgroup. You as a christian feel that
    KICKING> it is your duty to inform these "poor missled
    KICKING> sheep". That is rude.  I don't plan to go to the
    KICKING> christian forum and leave a huge message about Darwin, so
    KICKING> don't come to this newsgroup and praise your Lord here,
    KICKING> unless he has some new revalations about the evolution of
    KICKING> theropods, or A.aferensis behavior.

    KICKING>      Keep to preaching on your own side of the street...

    KICKING> Dana Geraths, Paleontologist.

If you wanted to distract this group into discussion of
Christian-bashing and religious freedom, I don't believe I could have
thought of a better way to do so than such a post.

Patrick Sweeney
Lehman Brothers
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New York, NY 10013

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Sun, 07 Jul 1996 05:58:46 GMT
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Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon

Okay, I opened up my copy of The Dinosauria (Weishemple, Dodson,Oktsaka
(sp) 1990) And Chapter 17 talks about Sauropod eggs found. At least three
cases has been made linking eggs with sauropods; in India,France and the Gobi.

The book states that there is nothing in pelvis structure of Saurpods to
hint toward live birth. (This is a Bakker hypothisis (1980). Bakker tends
to assume his musings are The Rule Of Nature, without really proving them.
He is good about stirring up the science and getting people to think about
new ideas, however.) This thoery was made up because the lack of solid
evidence, or eggs, but as time goes on we have found a few. Eggs do not
preserve well, so finding a slew of Sauropod Jurassic eggs is not a common
sight.

Oh, yeah, The largest egg is the Elephant bird's. An extinct bird. The
largest dino egg was about 1/5 of it's size.

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